Ah, Crossfire... let me count the ways...
Remember that Jazzercise instructor Jennifer Portnick who was told she was "too fat" to be one of their fitness instructors (though she'd been successfully teaching for some time, apparently), and took Jazzercise to court over it?
Well, she got to be a Crossfire debate point between Marilyn Wan (author of "Fat!So?") and radio talk-show host Neal Boortz (not sure where his authority to speak on the issue comes from) back in May. The discussion revolved around whether or not somebody who's 240lbs can "represent" the ideals of a fitness franchise.
Keyword: Fitness. Right?
Ha.
CARLSON: Now you know as well as I do that most people do Jazzercise and other sorts of jumping around in front of videotapes to get thin. Now you can see the problem if you own Jazzercise -- having a 240-pound instructor's a pretty bad advertisement for your product. It implies that it doesn't work. So can't you understand why they wouldn't want to hire a 240-pound instructor?
WANN: You know, I think the fitness industry is shooting itself in the foot by marketing thinness, rather than marketing fun. When I go to Jennifer's Portnick's class, I have fun. I feel great. I get healthy. My weight doesn't change. That's not my purpose. In fact, the latest numbers show that about 37 percent of Americans are doing no exercise. And I think if we welcomed people of all different sizes into exercise classes, they might come and have fun and get healthy. Would they get thin? I don't care. I really don't think the research supports that they would.
Someday, Tucker's bow tie is going to start spinning. That will be a great day.
The kicker comes when Boortz starts offering up the rehashed American reactionary hate speech:
BEGALA: Mr. Boortz, you support laws then, right? Do you support laws that say we will force companies to hire qualified people who are black. ...
BOORTZ: Oooh, Paul, you said qualified. This girl is not qualified.
(First intimation that we're in trouble: he referred to a 38-year-old woman as a "girl." Ah. That speaks volumes, actually)
BEGALA: Do you support our civil rights laws?
BOORTZ: In some -- for some civil rights, yes. For honest civil rights, not the right to be a lard butt and lead an exercise class.
Did he just say that?
Why yes. Yes, he did.
As Wann points out, the "qualifications" for being a fitness instructor include the ability to teach an hour-long class, six days a week, sometimes back-to-back classes. Portnick is 240lbs - I'd guess she's 5'6 or so. She's formidable, yes. Does her weight impair her mobility? Not so much. Obviously. Or she wouldn't have passed the fitness tests that got her certified to be an instructor.
Duh.
Now, predictably, Boortz and Carlson bring up the issue of models: models have to have a certain "look" in order to follow their profession. The argument goes that Jazzercise instructors have to "look" fit. First, I agree that models need to be a certain size - runway models all need to be the same size so they can all fit into the same outfits. They need to be a certain height for the clothes to hang properly, and they have to have "looks" that don't draw people's eyes away from the clothes. I'll give them that. But somebody who's otherwise a perfect "fit" who doesn't know how to walk down a runway (say she or he doesn't eat enough and faints halfway down the runway) isn't going to be a model, are they? (I realize I'm grasping for straws with the model thing: I've never believed it takes any sort of smarts or talent to be a model, so my natural biases are showing).
Who decides what "looks" fit? There's already a standard all instructors have to pass that shows they can successfully teach the classes. That'd be a "fit" test, right?
As someone who's been to a jazzercise franchise, I can tell you this - as a patron of such a facility, what I want to do is move around and have fun. Losing weight (at the time I went to Jazzercise, I think I was 16 or 17) was certainly a major goal for me at the time, but I realized also that just moving was good for me, and I wanted an instructor who got me through all this movement with the most fun. As a fat girl who spent most of her childhood being hounded by people of both sexes about my weight, I had (and am working to shed) a terrible fear of thin women. Thin, "hot" women were the ones who were the absolute meanest to me. They were like little devils come up from hell to torment my size. Now, of course, I realize the thin-woman backlash was so strong because I represented everything that they feared: fat; while walking around not-hungry, as many of them were. We all tend to resent those we see who aren't playing by the rules and are somehow getting through life anyway.
So, being at Jazzercise, my favorite instructor wasn't the thin little blond woman who looked like she'd curl her lip at me if I ever approached her, the one who looked like she went home and vomited up her lunch. No, my favorite instructor was the 200lb black woman with the cropped hair and big laugh and amazing sense of humor who looked like she could kick my ass. She was fit and tough, and most of that weight was muscle, with a good cozy layer of fat over it.
*That's* the instructor that kept me coming back.
I think Wan is right on when she says that places like Jazzercise are selling themselves short by promoting weight loss instead of fitness. If you're toting weight loss, people get frustrated unless they see huge results in a very short period of time - hence the success and popularity of diets like Atkins that shed weight very quickly. It gets us motivated to keep going. Unfortunately, a lot of fitness programs don't work that quickly, particualy if you're the typical American woman who's spent a lifetime going on periodic dieting and excercise binges, followed by binges of another kind. Your metabolism is gonna be screwed up. Your body's gonna be angry with you. And as you get older, that metabolism slows down.
What keeps people fit and healthy in the long run is regular excercise and a reasonable diet (throw out all that crap processed food, keep your white bread and sugar intake nil at best, very, very low at worst. STOP binge eating, for all you bingers like me). And to keep people interested in exercise, it needs to be fun. You want to go there and not feel like a fucking reject idiot, a fat loser. And when there's somebody up there who's fit and fun and inspires you to kick your ass, then Jazzercise is doing its job and making money to boot: people come back for classes with good instructors.
Jazzercise is a franchise. If the local congregation (that's the first word I thought of to describe the local clientele) really doesn't like a particular instructor, they'll let you know. The number of students will plummet. Numbers will drop off. They'll start complaining and ask for the skinny blond to take those classes over instead, and relegate the fat instructor to the crappy 3pm class.
They'll let you know if they don't like their instructor.
At my MA school, Sifu Katalin looked me in the eye when she shook my hand. Coach Fernando didn't treat me like I was a worthless idiot. As someone who's internalized a lot of the hate-against-the-fat attitudes, I was ready to fold away into the woodwork at the first sign of disgust or derision. And there was none of that. Granted, I do realize that I have an inflated sense of my own size (most women do), but it was important to be at a place where everybody was supportive.
I also realized later on that a couple of the amazons there had shed 50-70lbs over 2-3 years of classes. If the goal is weight loss, I knew I wasn't going to see it very soon, or all at once. It was gonna take a long time. But damn, was I gonna be buff on my way there. And I was going to have fun.
For the record, Sifu Dino is likely pushing 230-240 as well, and nobody's questioning *his* ability to lead martial arts and fitness classes. He could wipe the floor with every one of us.
Of course, he's a man. He's supposed to be Big and Scary.
Huh.
Once again: are we toting health and fitness, or trying to get everybody into a size 2?
Tell me again why it's so important for all of to look the same?
Oh. Yea. So jerks don't call us "lard butt" on national television.
What is this, grade school?
Friday, October 22, 2004
Ah, Crossfire
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10 comments so far. What are your thoughts?
Sure, we're unhealthy and bitchy and don't really know any of the useful athletic information that you probably ought to know if you're getting paid to teach people. But we look fabulous in a workout suit!
Only mitigating point I can see, and this isn't one that makes me personally happy, is that there are certain exercise clubs that are really meat markets with a thin layer of fitness over them. Our local place isn't -- you see people of all shapes and sizes there, and with the exception of the chicklets who read Glamour while taking far too long to do far too little on the thigh machines, there's not too much appearance-consciousness there.
My friend, however, had to get in shape in order to JOIN a particular club, in which, at taller than I am and thinner than I am and more muscular than I am, he was considered a fat slob who had to get in shape if he was going to draw any attention. It was gruesome but at least fairly straightforward.
So if the place really wants to clear up any confusion, they just have to come clean about the fact that they're really more about looking like the latest magazine cover than actually helping people get in shape. That would take care of the misconceptions right there.
Posted by Patrick Weekes
My friend, however, had to get in shape in order to JOIN a particular club, in which, at taller than I am and thinner than I am and more muscular than I am, he was considered a fat slob who had to get in shape if he was going to draw any attention.I'm so glad I don't live in California.
Posted by Kameron Hurley
Hi, I enjoyed reading your comments on the Crossfire show on which I was discussed at some length. This episode actually aired two years ago, I wonder since your comments are so recent if it was just on again.
What I remember from Boortz' comments in particular is his assumption about what he'd see if he followed me around the grocery store. I believe he said I'd put white bread, ice cream and hamburgers into my cart. The fact is, I haven't had red meat in over 20 years. I eat whole grains often and little in the way of sweets. But he assumed he knew what I eat by how I look. It's a common-- and quite erroneous--- assumption.
Since the Jazzercise story broke in 2002 I've actually increased my exercise from 6 to 10 hours a week. I've started weight training and am enjoying the feeling of building an even stronger, fitter body. And ya know what? I'm still 235 lbs.. My class at World Gym here in San Francisco, though, doesn't seem to notice or care. They like to dance with me, laugh with me, and move with me. I think that's what really counts.
As for being glad not to live in California, I'm very glad I DO live here, because it's one of the few states in this country where a city or two have protection against weight based discrimination. If I lived in New York, for example, I'd have had no recourse against a franchise owner who refused to sell me the right to use their name--- despite my skills--- simply due to my size.
Posted by Jennifer Portnick
Hey Jennifer!
Agreed on California. You've got the meat-market workout places, but they're only there if you go into them. It's enough of a glut of cultural opportunities that you can choose the gym that's right for you.
Glad to hear that World Gym has its act together, and that you're getting people to exercise healthier and happier. I remember the way I felt when my wife said that she didn't want to go exercise because she felt like she was too disgusting to be seen in public, and how much it pissed me off to hear her feel that way about herself -- and hide inside because of it. It's fantastic that you're knocking that garbage aside and getting people healthy instead of aiming them at a body type that isn't right for them.
And yeah, Boortz should follow my friend with cystic fibrosis around on her shopping trips. She's trying to get her weight up past 110 or so, and there's always candy, chocolate, and crackers and cheese on her coffee table. The intricacies of her physiology (the disease, combined with all the medical treatment she receives for the disease) make it such that just keeping herself at a near-anorexic weight is hard -- and her doctor is jazzed if she can get up to 120 for any length of time. Boortz would look at her and think that she was healthy, maybe a little skinny, and probably that she ate a lot of celery sticks and dieted a lot.
Mostly because, I imagine, he hasn't figured out that not everyone in the world is him.
Anyway, kickass. Glad things are working for you. Nice to hear a happy ending!
Posted by Patrick Weekes
Jennifer! Thanks for dropping by!
Actually, I found this Crossfire transcript mentioned over on a post this week at http://www.bigfatblog.com/ - somebody was going through Crossfire transcripts, found this one, and got pissed off. I checked the month but not the year of the transcipt - my mistake.
And yea - the grocery cart comment was telling as well. I balked at that one. There's this assumption that "fat" women spend all day eating, and eating crap. And notice it's almost always... fat *women*.
I had no idea CA was one of the few states that had some cities that'd allow one to take somebody to court over size discrimination. The obsession with thin (and the amazing assumptions people like Boortz have about what a woman topping 200 lbs must eat and do every day) really boggles my mind. There are such obvious shades of sexism, classism and conformity here that I'm fascinated that the news media won't take it on and examine it. The Guardian, being out of the UK where classism has always been a hot topic, is willing to touch on it (I've seen a couple of pieces, and they've published some of Campos's work), but for the most part, American media's continuing its bent of sanitized "entertainment news."
Like, say, Crossfire.
I've ranted about this in other places, but I'm seeing "fat" as the social stigma used to control women post-1920 (the year women got the vote). How do you take a strong, smart woman and take her out of the loop of power - make her obsess about her size. Make size and appearance the be-all and end-all of success. That way, when women talk, their thoughts and obsessions revolve around food, dress, makeup, calorie counting, exercise regimes - instead of politics, abortion rights, international relations, and... feminism. Pressing women into the role of social/sexual ornament serves to press women out of more active public roles.
I know it's something I've definately struggled with. I enjoy being big and intimidating. I'm suspect when I find others telling me I should take up less space in the world in order to make them feel better.
Posted by Kameron Hurley
Kameron, you're one bright chick! At least, you must be, because you agree with me, right?:)
Seriously, your assessment of the weight loss obsession as a means to take power away from women is, I believe, spot on. And yet, hardly any women outside the fat acceptance community here in SF seem to be able to think of it that way. At my office, Weight Watchers has meetings on site and has for years. The same people go and weigh themselves and meet for lunch carrying plastic containers of god knows what, and worry and talk about their bodies and their diets. All they can see is that they're impossibly ugly by societal standards. I don't know what it takes to, as Patrick has done above, question the standard.
By the way, if Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, NutriSystem, or any other method of weight loss worked long term, there would be no lifetime memberships, right?
The two cities in California where weight discrimination is protected as San Francisco and Santa Cruz. You would also have recourse in Washington DC and the state of Michigan. Anywhere else in this country, though, you can be denied employment and/or a promotion, or simply fired because of your weight. In fact, a woman named Misty Watts was just on GMA the other morning describing how, soon after being made employee of the month, she was told she would no longer be scheduled to work at the Ruby Tuesday's in Hickory, NC. Why? Because her uniform didn't look right on her, and they'd just launched a low carb menu so she didn't fit their image anymore. Misty went to local media about this, bless her heart, and public pressure may cause Ruby Tuesday's to change their minds and/or their policies. But the sad truth is, she doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. Not even a little.
And Big Fat Blog--- love that site! Paul McAleer is the owner. He was the first person ever to interview me when the story about the discrimination complaint (not a lawsuit FYI) about Jazzercise broke. He's very smart and honest and he really gets this issue. Love the guy.
TTYL-
Jennifer
Posted by Jennifer Portnick
I assume you've read Wendy Shanker's The Fat Girl's Guide to Life? She makes some great arguments about how important it is for dieting companies that women (and men) fail.
As we move into the new century, we've also seen an increasing trend in encouraging men's obsessions with their bodies (as Patrick pointed out - and I have another friend I'm corresponding with about changing conceptions of masculinity), which helps fuel the machine of capitalism and take away further interest in politics and policy.
Now that we've got the internet, cable, and a cell phone in nearly everyone's ear, it's become easier for all of us to hook into current events and organise ourselves around protests (the "smart mob" phenomenon being a good example of this). I think that the people with the money would rather we use all of that media and technology to go back to hibernating. Which is one of the big reasons I try to balance my blog with all sorts of social issues.
Granted, I don't know that men's obsessions will reach the fevored pitch of that around women (at least within the next 50 years or so), for a couple of reasons 1) most women have a natural propensity to gain and retain weight for child bearing, so men's obsessions won't be around fat so much as other factors that are more difficult for them to change without the aid of plastic surgery (estrogen aids in the retention of fat - men with higher levels of estrogen find that they have a more difficult time of losing and keeping off weight) 2) women have a huge headstart revolving around hate of the body's shape *and* bodily processes such as menstration, which men don't have - the penis and ejaculation - processes that have to do with sexual fertility - haven't been seen as dirty or shameful, but exactly the opposite in men 3) women have a far longer history of beautification rituals in this society, though of the three areas, I think the "beautification ritual" part is the most quickly embraced by men (lotions, spa treatments, eyebrow plucking, elimination of body hair, etc).
Posted by Kameron Hurley
Yes, I have read _The Fat Girl's Guide To Life_. In fact, I had the pleasure of meeting her was in San Francisco a couple of weekends ago for an event at Macy's. I enjoyed her book a great deal and predict great things to come from her.
You make excellent points on how a potential male bodily obsession compares to women's. You might enjoy reading _The Body Project_ (the authors' names I cannot recall right now) in which they detail how girls are taught from the youngest ages to view their physical selves as a project which never comes to completion.
Posted by Jennifer Portnick
P.S. "The pleasure of meeting her" refers to how delightful it was to meet Wendy Shanker, author of the above mentioned book.
Posted by Jennifer Portnick
Ah, yes. I've read _The Body Project_. *Loved* it, especially the historical take on what it meant to "be a good woman."
I'm also interested in the idea of the body is seen as reflecting one's religious piety/moral character, as well. There's a good book called _Holy Feast, Holy Fast_ about the link between Christian religious fevor and the intake of food, particularly regarding women (though fasting is and has been seen as a highly religious activity).
I was reading some stats in Shape magazine yesterday, and 80-90% of their readers (a biased sample, but I think it's pretty accurate, based on the media hysteria) that overweight people are lazy, gluttonous, unreliable, unrestrained, and etc.
Fear of the out-of-control body.
Pregnancy must terrify these people.
Posted by Kameron H
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